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and activities of LDS and Libyan doctors. We hope this will be used only as
professional page.
Social events and
activities will be published on this site.
We need your help. Please read these questions and offer your
help if you can.
1- Have you got books you do not
want or are not using them?
We would like to have these books
to send them to medical students in
You can do so by sending them to Dr Nagi Barakat, Dr Rajab Kerwat
You can make contact with one of us and we will arrange with you how to send
them to us
2-Have you got exam material that may help your
colleagues in
Send them to us and we will be happy to
arrange delivery of these to whoever is wanting them
3-Do you have any old medical equipment (stethoscope,
hammers, Torches, autoscore, ophthalmoscope)?
Let us know and we will be happy to arrange with you and we will
send them to medical students in
2- 4- Read more about LDS news & activities for 2004, 2005 Previous LDS news & activities 2004,2005
29/12/2006
كل عام والجميع بخير بمناسبة حلول عيد الفطر المبارك واعاده الله علينا وعليكم وعلى الأمة الأسلامية بالخير والبركة
1- There will be announcement about LDS Chairman and LDS council on 2nd week of January 2007
2- Unfortunately we can not put any other news on LDS website till later date
23/11/2006
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Training the trainer course (TIPs) run by Academic Center for Medical Education-University College of London {ACME-UCL} (9&10/12/2006, Benghazi-Libya, contact nbara5863@hotmail.com
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How to be examiner course ,11/12/2006, Tripoli Libya will be run by ACME-UCL -UK, contact nbara5863@hotmail.com
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There will be a medical conference at Garryounis University held by Faculty of Medicine 16-18/2/2007, read more on http://www.garyounis.edu/medcong
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ATS course in Sebaha between 21-23/1/2007, run by Libyan doctors and will train 25 doctors , contact nbara5863@hotmail.com if your ATLS instructor
12/11/2006
1- Two new members joined LDS in September from UK
2- New proposal from Libyan minister of health will be shortly put on this site. It is important for all Libyan doctors abroad to read and send there comments directly to Minister of Health.
3- The Overseas training scheme is back and all Royal Colleges in UK will participate in this program
4- Two courses will be held in Libya ( Training the trainers and how to be examiner), Organized by Academic Center of Medical Education in UK and the sponsor from Libya is Libyan Board Of medical Specialties ( 8-12/12/2006 in Benghazi and Tripoli respectively)
5- The fifth Paediatric conference held in Libya between 3-6/11/2006. It was attended by more than 300 Paediatrician from allover Libya. It was very good in it is scientific papers but organization for the lectures was not brilliant. there is delay all the time and attendance till mid-morning was not good. It is successful event and excellent lectures and speakers.
22/10/2006
تتقدم جمعية الأطباء الليبية لكل اعضائها والزملاء فى ليبيا وخارج ليبيا باحر التهانى بمناسبة عيد الفطر المبارك اعاده آلله على الأمة الأسلامية والعربية والشعب الليبى بالخير والبركة وكل عام والجميع بخير
21/10/2006
1- The 5th Paedaitrici conference will be held between 3-6/10/2006, Tripoli -Libya. For full program you can visit http://www.wahaexpo.com/kids/
2- Sorry for not updating this website as we are still preparing new material and new look for LDS website
رمضان مبارك
وكل عام
والأمة
الأسلامية
والشعب
الليبى بخير.
افطارا شهيا
وصياما
مقبولا
نأسف عن هذا
الأنقطاع
وسوف نتواصل
من جديد وبشكل
جديد ان شاء
الله
NB
There will be 5th Paediatric conference in Libya - held in Tripoli between 3-6/11/2006.
Useful website you can read:
yours
http://www.aibst.com/aibst200605.pdf ( Dr Mohamed Sagar and Dr Nasser ElZuki been awardedleading sceintist from africa)
سيعقد الملتقى السنوى الثالث لجمعية الأطباء الليبية يوم السبت الموافق 24 يونيو 2006 بمدينة Hull - UK
جمعية الأطباء الليبية واللجنة المنظمة تدعوالأطباء الليبيين لحضور هذا الملتقى تحت شعار"التغدية اثناء الصحة والمرض"
برامج الملتقى متعددة ومتنوعة وتشمل البرنامج العلمى عن التغدية فى كل المجالات و التخصصات. ملتقى عملى حول الجمعية واخر المستجدات والتى قامة بها الجمعية بعد انتخاب اعضاء اللجنة واللجنة العلمية للجمعية، دستور الجمعية ونشاطات الجمعية المسقبلية. كذلك سيكون هنالك ضيف شرف وهو الدكتور عبدالكريم ابوالشوريب والذى سيلقى محاضرة بخصوص تاريخ الطب فى ليبيا. كما سيكون هنالك برنامج اجتماعى واسرى بعد انتهاء الملتقى العملى.
ابرنامج الملتقى ونمودج الأشتراك موجودان على الصفحة الألكترونية لجمعية الأطباء الليبية وكل من يرغب فى الحضور الأنصال بالدكتور عامر عزاز على العنوان التالى Amer.Azaz@hey.nhs.uk
او عن طريق البريد اللكترونى للجمعية من خلال موقعها على الشبكة الألكترونية www.libyandoctorssociety.info
Dear Colleagues
On behalf of the Libyan Doctors Society, the organizing committee is delighted to invite you to attend Third Annual Scientific Meeting at Hull Royal Infirmary, Hull on the 24th of June 2006.
The meeting should be of clinical interest to doctors of all specialities and grades. Its scientific session is themed NUTRITION IN HEALTH AND DISEASE. Libyan experts in this field will talk about various medical, surgical and ethical aspects of nutrition ranging from under-nutrition to morbid obesity and across the ages from foetal life to elder age.
The meeting comes after the LDS has successfully elected members to its council and scientific committees. This should allow the society to grow stronger and become more effective. By attending you will have your chance to shape the future plans of the society.
The meeting will be honoured to have Dr ABDULKAREM ABUSHWEREB as a guest lecturer invited from Libya to talk about Libyan medical history. Dr Abushwereb is a known Libyan medical historian and writer.
Above all the meeting is meant to be a social occasion where the Libyan doctors abroad can meet and get to know each others. A social programme has been organised for delegates and families allowing visits to local attractions and other social activities. It will hopefully run for 2 days.
For details of the meeting programme and registration form please link to the LDS web site at www.libyandoctorssociety.info
The organising committee-LDS
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4- 26/4/2006
5- The LDS third annual meeting will be held on
6- The elected committees will be meeting on 6/5/2006 to discuss various issues and the third LDS meeting
7- A letter went out to all members asking them to pay the annual fees for LDS and to contribute to next meeting. The letter content as follow;
8- Dear All members,
The third LDS meeting will be held in Hull UK on 24th June 2006. Dr Amer Azaz
and other colleagues are inviting you to attend this
meeting. The programme will include scientific
presentation, guest speaker, and electing LDS Chairman and Scientific committee
chairman and others plus discussion LDS past and future activities.
There will be also social events for families (this will be confirmed later
on).
We would like draw your attention that we are now collecting annual fees
for membership. We will be grateful if you can send it to LDS
address which will be given below and payable to (Libyan Doctors Society) or
use direct debit. We agree in our last meeting, the annual fee will be #30.
All this will be used to cover the expenses of the third meeting in
Hull and other activities
The LDS ban account NO: 3914348
Sort code: 30-98-91
Bank Name: Lioyds TSB
If you prefer setting standing order or direct debit.
LDS postal address
Doctors Society (LDS), P O Box 43564, London SW15 3YT, United Kingdom
Thank you
Yours truly,
LDS committees
9- The fourt Libyan Diabetes and endocrinology conference will be held in Tripoli between 29/4 to 1/5/2006. The program on the following link - The fourth LDEC
10- The LDS committees and members congratulate the organizing committees for this conference and the excellent program
11- The second visit of group of Doctors to Libya to conduct Advance Trauma Course in Sirt city and some clinical work with workshops and symposiums for fifth year medical student. This visit will be between 22-24/7/2006
12- Latest development about health services in Libya , read from this link
13- http://www.akhbar-libya2.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=23874
14- 4/3/2006
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أعلان نتائج الأنتخابات الأولى لجمعية الأطباء الليبيين
لقد
تم بعون آلله
وحمده انتخاب
اعضاء لجنتى جمعية
الأطباء
الليبية. وهذا
اول انتخاب
تجريه هذه
الجمعية. لقد
كان
ديموقراطى
ونزيه ومفتوح
ومنظم على
غرار انتخابات
الجمعيات
الطبية
الأخرى فى
العالم. لقد
نجح الدكتور
ابوبكر
الأصبيعى فى
تسير هذه الأنتخابات
نجاحا متميز
وادارة
متفوقة.
لقد
طلب من كل
االأعضاء
المسجلين
بالجمعية بأن
يدفع
بأسمائهم او
اى اسم اخر
للترشح لعضوية
احدى لجان
الجمعية وهى
لجنة الجمعية
واللجنة العلمية
للجمعية. بعد
ذلك طلب من كل
من دفع بأسمه
ان يرسل نبذة
بسيطة عن
السيرة
الداتية وبيان
عن رؤيته
المسقبلية
لعمل الجمعية.
ارسل كل هذا
الى جميع
اعضاء
الجمعية وطلب
منهم ترشيح اثنان
من المرشحين
فقط. وبعون له
سارت الأمور كما
ينبغى على مدى
الشهريين
الماضين وتم
اعلان نتيجة
الأنتخابات
يوم 2 مارس 2006.
ويمكن الأطلاع
على هذه
النتائج من
خلال العنوان
التالى: ُElection results
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17- 2- A call sent to all newly elected councils members to meet in next three weeks, to elect the chairman, Vice chairman and the others.
18- 3- The third LDS meeting which will be held in 24th June 2006, Hull, UK. The organization is going on as well as the program will be drafted during the councils meeting
19- 4- Over last two weeks , another two members joined LDS
20- 22/2/2006
21- 1- The voting papers to elect both LDS councils is now sent to all members and closing date will be on 28/2/2006
22- 2- Two new members joined LDS and now total of 151 member
23- 3- Following the election, the names of both councils will be announced with clear vision of all both councils members as will start preparation for the third LDS meeting in Hull -24th June 2006
24- 4- To read about the LDS nominated councils go to this link LIBYANDOCTORSSOCITYGENERALELECTIONMODIFIEDLIST2[2].doc
25- 1/2/2006
26- 1- The voting papers will be sent by the end of next week to all members to elect the 2 councils and this will be published on this page as well
27- 2- The number of LDS members is now 149
28- 3- Dear
Nagi;
Can you pls put an add in the LDS web site; for those interested to
work in King Fahd Medical City, Riyad, pls send your CV to Ms Lora Wood; lwood@kfmc.med.sa They must
specify if they are applying for a consultant position or an assistant
consultant job (like an SR).
Reida
29- 4- Recently there was a discussion about LDS between LDS members and how this society be reactivated. You can read more by clicking on this link LDS debat1
Dear naggi
Did you get my reply , i m having trouble with my email.
Good on you mate , i will support you because i know you are sincere.as i said in other letter , lets keep out of politics and religion , be inclusive ,don't repeat same experience that got our colleagues in trouble , which lost them the trust and respect of the people.I think you are great , i really do , i know you worked hard to be were you are now,i m surprised that you have time to spare for LSD , i 'm sure its valuable time on the expense of your other duties. i wish i can put
some time toward this , keep it medical , keep apolitical ,keep it simple,avoid high expectation ,you need a base and structure ,then a mandate ,keep it democratic.
All the best friend
I can add that when it comes to your integrity , you can count on my support.
Dr Mohamed Milad
Cons psych
Australia
Dear naggi
I admire all colleagues who are able to give time to charitable work like your effort to build the society.I will support you as much as i can.you should continue and i hope you will achieve your noble cause.we need to build step by step,to me you have gone to fast into action before building a solid base for a society that have clear constitutional mandate and majority voting. we need clear aims and achievable goals.we can't be everything for ever body .you need to bring the doctors with you ,we need to build on trust ,eliminate suspicions, you need to acknowledge everybody point of view.I 'm not sure about open membership to everyone.the society has to be neutral , inclusive ,non political and non religious in its goals and affiliations .
your friend
DR Mohamed
Milad
Dear all,
I hope every one of you feeling better in New Year and may Allah give us the strength and patience to work together as Libyan professional.
All of you knew about LDS history and how it is started and where it is now. There are 146 members registered with LDS and no single week pass without new member joined inn. We have not done huge propaganda and number of visitors to LDS site is exceeding the 10.000 since started 16months ago. As LDS now established itself among many professionals and every one knew about it, it is time we should all of us work together and as a one group. It does not matter who is taking the lead and my wishes and always saying that, one day some one will take the burden of me and help with this idea and make it reality. I have been doing this for almost three years single handed with a little bit support from the co-founders one of them resigned last year (dr Matouk Zabead) for personal reasons and recently Dr Shlebak helping as much as he can. LDS has moved forward recently and since the 2nd meeting 24/6/2005 at St Mary's Hospital. The voting not yet completed but nomination for councils has been received and Mr Abobaker Lasbea is supervising this. The response poor but according to the LDS constitution we can form councils on temporary basis till third meeting in summer 24/6/2006 in Hull-UK.
To make it working I suggest that:
1- members of LDS should help with redeveloping the website and I welcome any contribution
2- Election of councils must happen very soon
3- We need to respond to official letters from Libya regarding cooperation between LDS and government bodies (we have three requests)
4- Aims and objectives should be all maintained
5- Members who are helping/contributing to other activities outside LDS aims and objectives should not be discouraged from doing that as long as not harming LDS and helping Libyan patients and colleagues
6- Annual fees should be agreed for LDS membership
7-Cooperation with other medical society specially in UK should be started as soon as possible, so Libyan doctors in UK and others should have say in many things like other professionals from other countries.
8- The LDS should be opened to every one either as ordinary membership or honorary membership according to LDS constitution
9- LDS should be registered as a charity. It was refused, as LDS have no council/s.
10- The councils for LDS will be taking over as soon as an election.
I hope this will help and support what Dr beshya said in his latest e-mail..
Dr Harisha has suggested having rescue plan with other colleagues, we welcome this plan and Dr harisha he is already LDS member and attended the two meetings. Dr Harisha is well known colleague and his comments may be came out of frustration that LDS has not full fill it is aims or objectives over the last three years. I must assure dr Harisha that LDS cannot be run by one person and others watching. Every one needs to do something and criticism is good if it is helpful but can be more cynical if not productive. I am sure Dr Harisha plan will help if we have it before our next meeting in 24/6/2006, Hull-UK
Many thanks to every one and I hope I have not offended any one and I apologize if I did so.
Yours
DR Nagi Barakat
Dear Coleauges
First , my regards to all friends ,wish to meet one day
For the Society to survive , I will suggest that , the constitution should be re-writen. I will be interested in Society that
1-Democratic-in the real sense of the word
2-open
3-Non political and non religeous in its constituition and activities
4-Deals with libyen doctors (only) issues ,interest and aspiration.
5-inclusive and not exclusive.
Doctors who have great sense of duties are respected and commended for their effort ,but the road to trouble paved will all good intentions and hopes.
Doctors who want to give alot of their time to education and patient care in our loved homeland should do it outside the society unless they are elected to do so by the society.Democracy is the only way forward , we need to vote on all issues.Deomocratic process is the only therapy to all our problems.
Dr Mohamed Milad
CosultantPsychiatrist
"Harisha, Jamal - Surg Med Staff&Secs"
<Jamal.Harisha@ngh.nhs.uk> wrote:
Dear All
Eid Mubarak in sha-Allah.
It seems that the LDS has a difficult labour and the health professionals
looking after the nursing mother have a conflicting interests and left her
with complications which I think will lead to a still birth!. A rescue plan
is underway by a dedicated professionals to help and deliver a healthy
society for all health personel, doctors and non-doctors living in the U.K
and Ireland. An announcement will be made soon. Every body is free to join.
Leading professionals:
Mr M ZERTI
Mr I MABRUK
Dr M DRAH
Mr A ZARDAB
Mr J HARISHA
Kind regards
Dear friends
Management and teams' forming usually go through stages of storming, norming and performing. I hope we do not stuck at storming stage and now we should move on to performing.
I wrote the constitution of the LDS and made very substantial contribution to the funding of the last LDS meeting in London. My only aim was to contribute to the development of Professional, Independent, Democratic, and Transparent Society. Part of this Professionalism is to maintain minimum standards of our debate and sorting our differences.
I endorse Salem's suggestion and we should concentrate on what is realistic and achievable and build on our success. The society could still be open to membership from outside the UK in line with its constitution. I am great believer in the power of small steps.
Best wishes to all, good luck and please let me know if I can be of any help.
Dr Saleh El-Gadi, MSc, FRCPI, Dip GU Med
Consultant Physician
Department of Sexual Health
Homerton University Hospital Foundation NHS Trust
Homerton Row
London E9 6SR
Tel: ++ 20 8510 7438 (Secretary)
++ 20 8510 7677 (Office-Direct)
Fax; ++ 20 8510 7978
Email: Saleh.el-gadi@homerton.nhs.uk
Dear Friends and Colleagues,
Asalamu Alikum,
I do not think that we had any harm from the recent
exchanges and I think we are still in good position
to move forward with the Society. I am prepared to
accept the majority's decision concerning the name and
membership targets fo the society. However, I would
like to propose two proporsals:
1. To put a motion to formally designate the society
as body related to Libyan doctors in UK and Eire by
adopting the name as "lIBYAN DOCTORS SOCIETY (UK &
Ireland)". I think this will make a full match between
the name and membership.
جمعية الاطباءالليبية ببريطانياوإيرلندا
2. I think lots of the work need to be completed
before the Hull meeting. i.e all the leg work must be
complete and a wider consultation process has been
undertaken for the final approval to be made in the
meeting.
Good Luck.
Salem Beshyah
Dear Jamal,
>
> Assalamo-Allikum and hope you are well
>
> I have left you a couple of messages yesterday
> hoping to talk about some of the issues you raised
> in your previous e-mails.
>
> I was initially disappointed that you have kept the
> announcement close to your chest, despite the
> lengthy telephone conversation we had two days
> earlier while you were on the treadmill. However i
> soon realized that it was not as calculated and
> planned as i first thought, as you stated in your
> e-mail renouncing the announcement you were testing
> the waters, something you have all the right to do.
> Nevertheless this may have a negative & divisive
> effects which is not going to help the brotherhood
> populace as you put among all of us.
>
> Furthermore you pointed to some doctors with a
> personal agenda behind the charitable activities in
> libya. In my opinion they are if anything failing
> miserably. AS to the LDS future , most of the
> interested members view is to define it's activities
> and put a clear demarcation between LDS as society
> aims to represents a majority of doctors in UK & Ir
> and the libyan doctors abroad activities (charitable
> or otherwise) in Libya. Such demarcation will be
> clearly defined in LDS Hull's 3rd Annual meeting. I
> would sincerely hope that you will be able to attend
> and contribute to making the right decision so that
> we can move on all together as one unit with the aim
> to help the libyan patients back home
>
> Finally your reply to Mr Al-Habib seems to be in
> response to an earlier e-mail from him. if that was
> the case i would be grateful if you could forward
> that to me as i have not received it.
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Rajab Kerwat
>
Al-salamo Alikom > I have started the Last E-mail
> with a hail and greeting and I reckoned I> will
> endure an analogous muslim etiquette! but in the
> contrary I recieved> your E-mail with loquacious
> words like dismay, no regards, hate and personal>
> gains. some of these watchwords were vile and
> abominabley spelt. > Any how I recieved also quite a
> lot of E-mails which all patronize and> embolden the
> archetype to form a society to health professionals
> not> necessiraly to replace the LDS and I mention in
> particular the graceful and> amiable words from Dr
> Nagi Barakat and Dr A Shlebak. It is ostensible and>
> colour that you are the only one ( a leading
> professional in the LDS ?) who> is affright and
> consternated from the issue. There may be a personal
> reap or> lucre in the LDS and we do not know about
> it. Is it ATLS courses in Libya?. > For your and
> everybody's atonement, the E-mail was circulated to
> test and> assay the water to see the reaction to a
> new venture and it was proven> without doubt that
> some compatriots will not entertain or approve>
> competition and die hard towards what has already
> and will be attained. I> have therefore decided to
> renounce the announcement made earlier and pass my>
> sincere apology and reparation to all colleagues
> I've listed in the E-mail> and to those who
> contacted me with encourgement. It may be a better
> idea to> figure and contour a brotherhood populace
> to strengthen social links between> doctors and
> others and strip the official title from it. > Kind
> regards > Jamal Harisha> > > > Northampton General
> Hospital NHS Trust > Cliftonville, Northampton NN1
Dear Abdul Razzak (all), assalam alykum wa rahmat Allah,
May I wish you all, and your families a happy new year and Eid mubarak to you all and may Allah accept all your good deeds.
I essentially agree with much of what has been said by Dr Kerwat and Shlebak. This message, however, is not meant to be a direct response to the recent messages, but a humble attempt to move the discussion forward.
I quite frankly can not give a monkey about any listing by a non-entity. The person is entitled to his or her views but this so called list was simply a misguided attempt to intimidate people.
The latest exchanges, however, seem to reinforce the need for level-headed discussion about the role Libyan medics abroad may, can or should play in developing health service delivered in Libya. I wont for once attempt to take away any thing from the genuine efforts by many over the years to contribute to health service. This issue about the role of medics abroad is certainly worthy of discussion and here are few thoughts:
1. The natural feeling of wanting to give back is to be encouraged and cherished among Libyan medics abroad. This however is always going to be surrounded with mixture of presumptive eligibility and capability on the part of medics abroad, and skepticism or even cynicism on the part of some medics practicing in Libya. As medics abroad we can not presume necessarily that we know better or can do better under the circumstances. What we can offer is probably a view from an outsider, some body who is on the sidelines, but still has the interest of Libyan health service and Libyan patients, in general, at heart. Whether we practice abroad or not, no body can take away that feeling from us.
2. I agree totally with Dr Shelebaks view that the LDS is a non existing entity. It may have existed in the minds and hearts of many Libyan medics for a while, but it has probably been a still birth. Because of various reasons it seems to lose credibility by the day, not least because of the confusion that exists in many peoples minds between the LDS and the last summer Tripoli meeting and even the latest group effort in last December in Tripoli.
3. The LDS, as a vision towards collective, well organised gathering of Libyan medics in the Diaspora is not carved in stone. If we think that there is a need for such a body, we are not tied to this particular effectively non-existing organisation. The LDS simply seemed to have got stuck.
4. It concerns me that although the LDS does not exit in all but name, its name and therefore the name of the Libyan medics abroad is being dragged and indeed used in various causes that should only represent the perpetrators.
5. If we (medics abroad) despise and do not wish stuff to be said and done in our name, we should then cease the initiative. Again, I will say, people will join in if they see a genuine, level headed, professional attempt towards contributing to health service in Libya.
6. We all tend to blame the masses; well the masses usually follow if they see a good lead! Inertia and even out right cynicism are rife among Libyans in general and medics are no exception.
7. The business about visiting missions to see a handful of patients here and there is fraud on many accounts:
a. There is life before and after the missionary visit. Libyan health service suffers more from lack of resources and of a coordinated approach to health care. Expertise and know-how, to a great extent, exists locally. We will be kidding ourselves, if we think that a one stop visit can achieve much, it may solve an individual problem every now and then for an individual patient and make the travelling medic feel better about themselves, but it will not improve the service.
b. Antagonism and even cynicism about such missions in Libya is rife among the local faculty. On the one hand we say nice things about the local faculty and then think that by short visits and seeing few patients we can do better than they can and will improve health service, it does not add up. I wonder how any of us will feel, if somebody came on their high horse to tell us what to do, and on our own turf?
c. There is a great deal of politicisation of such missions. Some may say, so be it, so long as we benefit patients, but are we? Besides if there are parties in Libya who want, for one reason or another, to publicise such missions and they happen to have some clout, then why should not we use this to instigate genuine improvement? If they are willing to listen, they should hear it. And this is were the last summer meeting in Tripoli failed miserably, in my view. It was played on terms set by parties in Libya who were more interested in maintaining status quo. Again I may be totally wrong.
8. A more productive line of help that medics abroad can, and in my view, should endeavour to provide is not simply in transferring technology, although this may be needed in certain areas, but more in introducing new ideas about issues of health planning, governance, team work and accountability and service development.
9. It takes two to tango. For help to be delivered medics abroad need to establish meaningful professional contacts with medics in Libya. Being parachuted down in Tripoli or Benghazi to see individual patients behind the backs and over the heads of local faculty is counter productive. We need to engage the local faculty in a constructive and non threatening way. The local faculty goes beyond the Libyan board of medical specialities, of course, although the latter is the logical avenue to develop cooperation. The question is what happens if the LBMS decides not to play ball? Notice how it chose to totally ignore the last Tripoli trip and how it was dragged, kicking and screaming, to the last summer meeting. One can not help noticing that the LBMS has been blowing hot and cold on the issue of cooperation with Libyan medics abroad.
9. For help and assistance to be given and provided, however, one will need a helper, a recipient, the substance of (actual) help, a mechanism of delivery and above all the need for help. A break in this chain will mean that all good intentions can come to nothing. You can not help some body who does not feel they need your help. If medics abroad, as Libyans, feel that improvement in health services are long over due, and they feel strongly about that, their initiatives change from being a benevolent effort to give back to a different mission, i.e. actual campaigning using their right as Libyan citizens, who, even if living abroad, still have an interest in health care provided in Libya.
11. If medics abroad come to the conclusion that the time has not come to develop links of cooperation with health services in Libya; may be it is best to develop good links between Libyan medics abroad, even on a light hearted and social level (like a club and an annual get-together). We should not after all sell ourselves too cheap, and keep scanning the horizon!
These are simply some humble thoughts, and I very much value and criticism and feel free to circulate if you see fit.
Khalid Beleed
Associate Specialist in Renal Medicine
Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust
Dear Jamal,
May I start by wishing you, your family and all friends and colleagues and their families a happy and a prosperous new year, more importantly we are in the first ten days of Duallhajah. These days have great spiritual value and I remind myself and my brothers to (at least) fast, make Dohaa and sadaqa.
Back to business as they say! I agree with Rajab most comments. You raised 2 main issues in your e-mail:
1ST ISSUE:
Doctor Speptimos is entitled to his point of view. Whilst, it is disturbing to read his list, personally, his views will not stop me from continuing to help and contribute to LIBYAN PATIENTS AND DOCTORS wellbeing as I see fit. This I (a lot of others) have done on personal basis for the last decade at least for no personal financial or otherwise gain. The "Do nothing" option in my view is not an option.
He (I presume) has published his black list and his criterion for inclusion is participating in the summer conference. I do not really have any problems by including my name on the list as there are a lot of other very credible and well respected colleagues were included, these people have contributed and continue to do so to health services and medical education for decades, a lot of them are our teachers and we are all indebted to them for their support and help in our early days as young doctors. I personally respect their tireless effort to work in extremely difficult circumstances to help the ever demanding fragile health services in Libya. Furthermore, a lot of them lead an average life and struggle as other Libyans to make ends meat.
It is very rich for some of us to take the high morale grounds and pass judgements and comments on such colleagues who live as some colleagues describe it the "in ferno" when we live in the comfort of the West with career satisfaction and good living standards etc.
I would like to ask Dr Septimos to spare a second thought to the Libyan Patients and Doctors who have benefited form such events.
This is an attempted to highjack, politicise and smear the goodwill and gesture of our colleagues to help their people and colleagues by making this as a political issue and therefore side tracking the whole initiative. I sincerely hope that this will not dampen the spirit of those who are eager to help and repay the Libyan People some of the generous expense we all enjoyed back home before we became "well respected professionals and great doctors" in the West.
We are all well educated, mature and should be able to judge such issues with a fairly balanced view and not to be swayed by negative and political influencing views.
A lot of colleagues who contributed in the conference has done this with their full personal free choice and approval, a lot of them claimed "not a single penny" in expenses.
I am happy to let the whole saga RIP for the sake of time. I personally, will not respond to any further communications about this subject.
2ND ISSUE:
You have mentioned the current mission to Libya. My understanding, this is a continuation to the 1st ATS last summer. Nagi and Mansur, I believe, are the coordinators.
The LDS as I far as I am concerned, does not exist, as it still in the stage of conception. Therefore, the current mission should not be associated with the LDS.
However, I do agree and concur with your point of view, that, such activity should have been adequately publicised for all colleagues who might be interested to participate irrespective of the organising body.
I am sure, there will be a plenty of future opportunities for this.
Finally, I want to wish all colleagues and their families a good Eid in advance. I also wish the lucky of you who are planning to do Hajj, a Hajj mabrour, and do not forget us in your dohaa.
From: Rajab Kerwat [mailto:
Sent: 30 December 2005 16:32
To: Harisha, Jamal - Surg Med Staff&Secs; Shlebak, Abdul A; Salem
Beshyah; khalid akkari; mabeidah@aol.com; abdullakhdar@hotmail.com
Subject: Libyan Doctors activities
Dear Jamal,
I share your concerns about Dr septimos black List, However as anybody else he is entitled to his views and opinion irrespective of how credible this might be?
My view in simple english is!, I think Libyan Doctors' groups activities back home, whether or not they belong to LDS, should not politicized, which is what Dr septimos is attempting to do.
This of course will not stop any of these doctors from using these activities in pursuing a personal gain whether financially , politicaly or otherwise. I personally think we should stay away from these if we are to be respected as professionals both home and away. While at the same time continue to do all we can to help the Libyan Patient Directly or indirectly by assisting our libyan doctors colleagues to do so.
Standing watching and doing nothing is simply not good enough, But as we know any action of such magnitude will without doubt bring on criticism. This we have to accept but we should distinquish between the credible and un-credible ones like Dr septimos' Black List.
I am Leaving (Insha' allah) tomorrow to Al Bida city via Tripoli to contribute to the 2nd ATS Trauma Resuscitation course as part of the same team that delivered the 1st course in Abousleem Hospital before Tripoli meeting. An attempt to organise CME activities in Tripoli and benghazi before and after this course is still underway. To date I am not aware of any Programme or firm arrangement, despite the announcement on the Libyan TV Channel this morning stating Libyan Doctors abroad are due in tripoli and offering free consultation to Libyan patients. Something we always individually do any way.
May I take this opportunity to wish all a Happy and prosperous 2006.
Rajab Kerwat
Dear Friends and
Colleagues,
>
> I second Khalid's concerns. I again reiterate my view that for this
society
> to succeed, it has to adopt a name, a constitution and realistic goals
that
> reflects its membership which is the Libyan Doctors in the UK and Ireland.
> This does not mean that other members are not accepted but concentrating
the
> efforts locally will make life easier for every body.
>
> Wish you all luck.
>
> Salem Beshyah
>
> --- khalid akkari wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> Dear Naji, Rajab, assalam alykum wa rahmat Allah,
>
> We seem to have picked up a habit of letting deadlines come and go!
>
> Has the whole LDS affair gone stone cold again? No body will take the LDS,
> or any such project, seriously if it only kicks back to life a few weeks
> before a meeting! things take time to plan and set!
>
> k.
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34- 1- We apologize not to update this page over the last 4 weeks as we were in Libya visiting various hospitals and help with clinics and courses
35- 2- Members of LDS joined the team to visit Libya and you can read about this on the following link http://en.ljbc.net/online/var_details.php?id=228
36- 3-The voting for LDS council not yet finalized and will be with all members shortly
37- 4- Book in your dairy the following date for the 3rd annual meeting of LDS (24th June 2006, Hull, Host will be DR Amer Azaz and his colleagues)
38- 5- The number of LDS members is now 146
39- 6- Dr Nagi Barakat and Dr Rajab Kerwat met with Mr Said Hadieri from the monitor group. This group asked LDS in helping the elected committee in Libya in planning and reforming health services in Libya. LDS will be part of it and second phase will start soon and members of LDS will be forwarded by us to this committee to chose from them who can set on this committee which chaired by Dr AbdulHafeed Zalatiny. LDS still adhere to it's aims and objectives with no political aims.
40- 11/12/2005
41- Another member joined LDS this month (140)
42- Dr Saleh El-Gadi, consultant in infectious diseases and HIV was interviewed on ElJazera TV, Menber Aljezzera. If you would like to read about this just log into Eljezzera .net and go to اخبار حية وأنقر منبر الجزيرة وأقراء تحت اليو العالمى للأيدز.This is another achievement for Libyan doctors and LDS and it is members congratulate Dr Saleh El-Gadi. You can read more about this as well: http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2DEDA25B-ACD6-4801-BCDD-DA22C0F15930.htm
43- Group of Libyan Doctors will visit Libya between 31/12/2005 and 6/1/2006. They will see patients, possible perform surgical procedures and train 25 Libyan doctors (ATS course)
44- 27/11/2005
45- The nomination for LDS councils is closed now and voting papers will be sent next week to all LDS members only
46- The response for nomination was very poor and hopefully the voting is much better
47- Three new members joined LDS (139)
48- Members of LDS will join the group of Libyan doctors visiting Libya between 31/12/2005 to 6/1/2006. There will be another trauma course will held in Elbeida and clinics and CMEs in Tripoli, Benghazi and Elbeida.
49- LDS is not part of this activities and members who joined this group representing themselves.
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51- 8/11/2005
52- Dr Abdulrazzak Shlebak,consultant Hematologist, St Mary's Hospital, Paddington-London -UK.
53- Shlebek et al published paper under the name "Venous thromboprophylaxis in UK medical inpatients". This paper was received with a lot of publicity as it is looking to ways of managing DVT in hospitalized patient . It has suggested changes which will improve the care of patients and improve the safety profile for patient. Dr Shlebek was interviewed by BBC and broad coasted on BBC main news. He also gave interview to many other journalist and UK radios.
54- Libyan Doctors Society congratulate Dr Shlebak and his team for this fine work. This will add to history of Libyan Doctors who are achieving and still work hard to achieve to the highest levels. It is another achievement by one of Libyan doctors who proved that they can work at the highest levels and raise up the reputation for Libyan physicians
55- LDS and it is members congratulate Dr Abdulrazzak Shlebak for this reputable work. Dr Shlebak will be a guest speaker on Ibnosina medical Ibno Sina Chat room to talk about his work and other safety meaures related to blood disorders. It will be important for Libyan patients and Libyan colleagues to learn from his experience in this .
56- If you are interested to see Dr A Shlebak work and articles wrote about his work. They are all on these links.
57- http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/11/507
58- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4394014.stm
61- http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/newsstories/hospitalpatientsfacingbloodclotdanger.cfm
63- http://www.rsm.ac.uk/new/pr175.htm
64- http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=32788
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1- Three new members joined LDS in last week (136 by now)
70- 2- This will be the last week for nomination
71- http://www.rsm.ac.uk/new/pr175.htm
72- 3/11/2005
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74- 1- The nominations process still going on for another week. It will be closed on 15/11/2005 and voting papers will be sent to all members (133) to elect the two councils.
75- 2- We encourage every one to vote and help us to elect our first councils
76- 3- The Libyan Board of Medical Specialization are putting together a program for CME for next year. If you are not registered to participate in this program and you are interested, do e-mail Dr Nagi Barakat or Dr Rajab Kerwat or Dr Mansour Bendago, so your name could be added. Please do that before the end of November 2005
77- 4- A two or three colleagues will be nominated from abroad , to help LBMS in this process
78- 5- Three new members joined LDS and if you are not member, then you can register electronically on this website.
79- 19/10/2005
80- 1- Three new members joined LDS which bring the total number to 133 member
81- 2- A hundred pound from LDS account paid to Dr Simon Nadel who was speaker on the 2nd LDS meeting for his contribution in this meeting.
82- 3- We are still waiting for any contribution/s to add to LDS website
83- 4- If you are ATLS or APLS or NLS instructor or instructor for any other resuscitation course, do contact us as your expertise is needed.
84- 10/10/2005
85- There was a discussion on Ibnosina chat room on 9/10/2005 about LDS and it is position among Libyan doctors. Started with brief introduction by Dr N Barakat about LDS aims and objectives, brief history about LDS, it is future plans and recent communications with Various agency in Libya.
86- The discussion was open and it was friendly and all questions answered by Dr N Barakat and Dr Rajab Kerwat. There was few suggestions from various people and few negatives points from one particular colleague from USA who went to far and start accusing the founders as a double standards and in particular DR N Barakat. He mention that LDS founders have hidden agenda and that why he is not want to join. No one answered him and this was left to colleagues to make their judgment
87- Facts about LDS:
88- 1- There are 130 members who completed the registration forms and submitted this to LDS founders. 56 of them over the last 2 months
89- 2- LDS received three invitation for cooperation and support to programs run by LBMS, Watassimo and Department of Health. All these will be discussed in next LDS meeting (December 2005) and a formal response will be sent by the chair of LDS.
90- 3- Nomination procedure is going on for the LDS council and the Scientific committee(ldsnomination)
91- LDS would like to thank every one supported it is initiatives. Without every one support LDS and it is members will not proceed further. I argue all members to start looking to LDS website and make suggestion and work on these suggestion. We would like to have professional website and fulfill the objectives of LDS
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94- 3rd October2005
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96- 1- By now every member of LDS should received a letter asking for nomination for LDS Council and Scientific council for LDS
97- 2- Since the last letter of invitation to many colleagues, 12 new members joined LDS
98- 3- A letters of Cooperation were sent to Libyan Board of Medical specialties, Watassimo Charitable organization, and department of Health in Libya as well as medical schools in Libya. It all said agreed in principle and a full cooperation letter will be done after the election of both committees.
99- 4- There will be a debate about LDS and it is role among Libyan doctors abroad. on 9/10/2005 on Ibnosina chat room, paltalk. will start at 7pm GMT . All welcome to attend and discuss and share ideas.
100- 5- For any suggestions or news you want to add on , please forward to Dr N Barakat
101- 25/9/2005
102- 1- There was a meeting held in London on 24/9/2005 and attended by Dr Nagi Barakat, Dr Rajab kerwat, Dr AbdulRazzak Shlebak, Dr Saleh El-Mansouri, Dr Ahmed Shameck, Dr Taha El-Gajaji. Every one felt LDS role should expand and agreed that Dr AbdulRazzak Shelbak will send forms for nominations for the LDS council (President , Secretary, Treasure , Two members, Lay Member), Scientific council ( Chairman, representative for each specialty Medicine, surgery, Paediatrics, Primary Care)
103- 2- A colleague (Non medical) will be asked to select the candidates from the all of the nominees and electronic election will be held round Mid November 2005
104- 3- A letter of cooperation will be sent to Libyan Board of Medical specialties as they asked Dr N Barakat to do that which he will draw and send
105- 4- A discussion will be continue regarding the last e-mail exchanges between LDS members and Dr Mansour Bendago. A full statement regarding this issue will be published after a debate on the paltalk either 2 or 9/10/ 2005
106- 5- Dr Abdulfatah Alakader will remain the liaison between LDS and Libyan Board of Medical Specialties for the time being and full discussion will be held round this.
107- 6- Invitation will be sent to all colleagues to join LDS and encourage others to join inn.
108- 7- If any one have suggestions or ideas, do send them to us.
109- 19.9.2005
110- Dr Rajab Kerwat, DrAbdulRazzak Shlebak and Dr Saleh El-Gadi will contact all colleagues attended the first and second LDS meeting regarding the nomination and voting for the two councils.
111- The total number of colleagues registered formerly with LDS is 55.
112- There are colleagues from Libya who asking for a clinical attachments, if you are a consultant and can offer help contact Dr N barakat or Dr Rajab Kerwat as few are waiting for your response
113- There are two proposal from Libya which need to be discussed with all members.
114- A call for early meeting will be held in December 2005 to discuss these issues as well introduce the councils.
115- 29.8.2005
116- We apologies for not updating this page over the last two months as many thing happening at the same time and it is a one man job.
117- 1- All colleagues attended the 2nd LDS meeting on 25th June 2005 received their CPD certificates
118- 2- Only few who attended the 2nd LDS meeting registered with LDS
119- 3- Only one person sent the Registration fees which is #30
120- 4- We received #1300 from drug companies who sponsored the meeting and #50 a membership fees. An #850 paid for lunch, #100 paid to Dr Simon Nadal , and #52 paid for the renewal of the post box for LDS
121- 5- Shortly we are going to send the nomination forms as well as the registration forms.
122- 6- We would like also to call for a meeting to all members to discuss various issues as well as to elect booth councils.
123- 7- if you are not registered with LDS, you can still do it now.
124- 31/5/2005
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126- The program for the second LDS meeting on 25th June 2005 is available now and we hope it will be successful meeting. Please register and forward your name to us so we can have the exact numbers for catering as well as the Dinner at night. To register please complete the form and send it to one of us.
127- Registration form for the second LDS meeting
128- Dr Abdulrazak Shlebak will be the chair of the this meeting and a host as well and we are grateful to his effort and support as well.
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130- Two new members joint LDS in April 2005
131- The first IPTS candidate in neonates will join Hillingdon Hospital as an joint effort between LDS, RCPCH and LBMS
132- The DR N Barakat was elected to be the chair of scientific committee from abroad, for the first conference for Libyan Physicians abroad and in Libya
133- For Registration to attend the conference you can go to www.libyandoctors.org or on this website as well to register
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135- http://www.libyandoctors.org/
136- http://www.libyandoctors.org/attendeeform.html
137- http://www.libyandoctors.org/abstract.html
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139- Infectious Diseases Management
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09.00 09.30 Registration and Coffee
Am- Chaired by Dr Abdulrazak Shlebak, Consultant haematologist, St Marys Hospital, London
09.30 -09.40 Welcome by Chairman of the meeting
Dr Abdulrazak shlebak
09.40 10.00 HIV the Libyan perspective! What should be done?
Dr Selah Elgadi, Consultant HIV and GUM, Homerton Hospital UK
Discussion
10.05-10.25 Meningococcal septicaemia
Dr Simon Nadel, St Marys Hospital
Discussion
10.30 - 10.50 Management of Needle stick injury, Where should we start?
Dr Hisham Ziglam, SpR, infectious diseases, Nine well's, University hospital, Dundee
Discussion
10.55 -11.15 Coffee
11.15 -11.35 Hepatitis B management update
Dr Khaled bzeizi, Consultant hepatologist, RIYADH, MILITARY HOSPITA, KSA
Discussion
11.40 -12.00 Hepatitis C, addressing the issues
Dr Jamal Eltalhi, Consultant gastroenterologist
Downe hospital
Discussion
12.05 12.25 Infection control on Paediatric wards?
Dr Amer Azzaz, Consultant Paediatrician, Hull Royal Infirmary
Discussion and closing morning sessions
12.30- 14.00 Lunch
Chaired by Mr Rajab Kerwat, Consultant Surgeon, Queen Marys Hospital, Sidcup
14.00 14.30 LDS Updates
Dr Nagi Barakat, MR Rajab Kerwat
14.30 14.45 LDS constitution
Dr Selah El-gadi and Dr N Barakat
14.45 15.15 LDS council and Scientific committee Election
Dr Abdulrazak Sheleibk and Mr Rajab Kerwat
15.15 16.00
Guest lecture Diabetes in
Dr Salem Beshya, Consultant Physician,
16.00 Q & A
16.10 Closing remarks
18.00 22.00 Dinner (TBC)
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142- 5/5/2005
143- The program for the second LDS meeting on 25th June 2005 at St Mary's Hospital London is agreed and will be sent to all members and others on mailing list of LDS.
144- All Libyan physicians as well as dentist, and any other health professionals are welcome to attend
145- There will be two sessions. The morning will be scientific and theme is (Infectious diseases and it is impact on Libyan patients) there will be 6 speakers. The PM session will be election, constitution and updating about LDS. Then followed by guest speakers
146- If you want to nominate any one to be elected and become one of LDS committee, please do so.
147- Up dating about the conference for Libyan physicians practicing abroad is one www.libyandoctors.org
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149- 14/4/2005
150- The date for 2nd LDS meeting is confirmed and will be on 25th June 2005 at St Mary's Hospital, Paddington, London. Full program will be published next week with very interesting topics and excellent speakers. We asking for any suggestions for a social event so we can arrange it.
151- Her is the sites for the first international conference for Libyan physicians practicing abroad. You can register and submit your abstract .
152- We would like to see more colleagues from other contents to join us and attend this conference
153- http://www.libyandoctors.org/
154- http://www.libyandoctors.org/attendeeform.html
155- http://www.libyandoctors.org/abstract.html
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